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Posted by: Aydin Mirzaee at September 21, 2006 7:26 PM
Hi, Great Post!
Just wanted to say that now you can send text messages to your Skype client... however, you can't receive them in the form of text! You will actually hear them being read to you...
Aydin.
Posted by: Ramki at September 22, 2006 12:56 AM
I would add few points here ,apart from what has been detailed in the article.
1.IM chat is one continous experience .It is required where you have a conversation.Say ,Im in US and my fiancee in INDIA ,IM chat plays the cupid !SMS-Better Luck Next Time :)
2.Secondly IM has these themes ,audibles etc to make the experience quite different.But the question is -How many need it ? SMS is for u know ,short messages ,short conversations..but you may do multiple 'short' conversations .
3.SMS VS IM is like a battle between Always ON Vs PLanned Conversation.Like, my mobile is always ON,but my laptop where my yahoo is running is'nt always ON.
4.It would be intresting to note that both IM and SMS offer you the facility of hiding behind the bits -meaning your feelings ,emotions ,fears can be disguised in the text (IM or SMS).WOuld it not be better if you chat with your BOSS rather than talk with him ?
Summing it up,i would say SMS has created new demands and they would eat up some specified percentage of IM market ,considering the fact that people want to connect as quick as possible.WHen you meet somebody new,u don't ask their yahoo-id-Do You ?
IM will still remain for few selected usages.
Posted by: Stuart
at September 22, 2006 1:58 AM
Ramaki, Great comments and additions. Thank you. I agree with your points one and two although I'd note that the less chatty texting format is being used like IM. IM exchanges tend to be longer, and I'd agree that emoticons, audibles etc. add something extra to it.
Like your summary, I think the time is ripe for something new. There is learning to be had from both camps for the next generation product.
Posted by: Hans Blaauw at September 22, 2006 5:11 AM
Good post and observations but i think in Europe it could be different. SMS has always been a big market in here and still is. Although i notice that here in the Netherlands MSN is very popular. But you are right with mobiles. Around a age of 14 most kids have a mobile in here i believe and that mobile only has SMS. Although pricing is still a little bit high it is easy for most kids. Another advantage is that lots of kids use a computer managed by a parent to send IM messages, on a mobile they don´t have that problem.
It would be good to have a device with flatfee data, GPRS or UMTS, and a chat client or even Skype. T Mobile has a flatfee EUR 10 a month in here for data and that is cheap. But most phones don´t support IM yet.
GPRS or even UMTS with Skype sucks mostly. HSDPA will be better but starts around EUR 50 a month.
Flatfee HSDPA for around EUR 10 per month and a device like the Mylo would be something for kids!
Posted by: cooli at September 22, 2006 7:32 PM
Hi, good points but I think we miss the key point:
- SMS is IMHO a poor implementation of mobile IM (no blame, its usage was not even intended ;).
- Why SMS is still king on mobile is because:
- it is working out of the box and always on with your phone number/subscription
- ubiquous reach (thanks now to proper sms interconnections between operators)
Now you take the implementation of IM in the PC world and its features (real-time chat, smileys, ...) and you put it on par with sms:
- pre-installed (and pre-launched) in your phone, works out of box, integrated in phone UI and functions (e.g. phonebook)
- all IM islands (MSN, Yahoo, ...) can talk to each other or you have multi-IM-account support a la Agile messenger
- always-on flat-rate data plan i.e. illimited texting.
And then it is quite clear that SMS does not stand a chance anymore.
I use a lot mobile IM thanks to the very good Agile messenger (if only all my friends had it also on their phones). I can say that it is killer application for me and that services/features like picture messaging (MMS), PTT/POC are only used by me as part of the IM user interface of Agile messenger.
So all in all, we just need to wait a bit more to see a real SMS 2.0 or decent mobile IM for everybody.
Cheers - cooli.
PS: great to have you back Stuart, I was deeply missing your hindsight and thorough articles.
Posted by: Stuart
at September 23, 2006 1:00 AM
Cooli, Yep, we are on the same page. I use AgileMessenger on my phone (a Nokia N80 - with wifi). If my whole phone and all my contacts... everyone was really on it and I could make a chat call too... then I'd be a lot closer to what I want.
I know very few people that have data connections. I won't buy them for my kids etc. Pricing and control issues is basically holding back something mobile users want.
I've used Yahoo's Hutch mobile solution in India. It works very effectively over SMS. However it costs more than SMS. Thus the only real reason to use it... is the desire for an alias and thus to hide your real number. Jangl is creating something similar for voice.
I think I'll work on another post. We can take this track in a few more directions. Ultimately the key is the cost of data plans. As you know a flat rate dataplan and agile provides a great solution.
We also need to look at how one can merge all your IM accounts with your mobile address book for one seamless experience.
Posted by: aaytch at September 24, 2006 5:43 AM
Texting is cannibalizing other IM services more than Skype's IM service. There are several reasons. First, you can IM someone in Skype even when they are offline. Presence with Skype is a feature but it is not required. Inbound IM's (from another Skyper) very much like SMS, and much more like SMS than other IM services. Second, you actually can SMS someone with Skype (outbound), so SMS becomes an adjunct to Skype's IM/Voice/Video/Fileshare services.
In general, I feel that SMS will lose out to the more advanced services patterned after IM. Devices like the new Sony Mylo really are "in the palm of your hand" just like a cellphone, so that will make IM just as convenient as SMS assuming there is WIFI available. Also, as cellular/mobile networks add data services with EV-DO, HSDPA, WIMAX etc., IM will have the same mobility as SMS.
Posted by: Paul Jardine
at September 26, 2006 12:04 AM
Stuart, great to have you back, your insight has been sorely missed.
As cooli said, once you put IM on a mobile device, pre-installed and integrated with the phonebook features, then SMS would cease to be at an advantage.
The key point is that it is used with a close circle of friends, because those are the people who we have 'conversations' with. In that close circle, presence indeed does have limited value. Certainly less than mobility.
Right now, it is still a trade-off and mobile wins because it is of primary importance. The interface and functionality (160 chars) matter less than the ability to access it anywhere.
The future has to be IM on mobile devices, though, as SMS was not even designed as a retail messaging system!
Handset/device manufacturers will be the ones who decide who will win (Text vs IM), and I think the new devices on the market say a lot about where to place the bets! aaytch has the same view...
Posted by: John Cosgrove at September 28, 2006 2:19 PM
Coming from New Zealand I would have to say that i have noticed a totally different trend. Here texting is virtually free (compared to calling) and so while it has stolen a small amount from IM, what really has suffered is mobile calling. Looking at the usage of all of my friends (around the 18-22 age group) all of us would send over 300 SMS per month, (recieving is not charged so i dont know how many that is) with many people exceeding 1000. Few would make more than a single call, if that, and then only for really long (eg >5min) conversations, everything shorter is just txted. Basically SMS has become a universal mobile IM service, and has become a requirement for almost all communication. A person without a cell phone really is an island in this modern world
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