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Posted by: Dennis at October 3, 2005 2:58 PM
There is a product offering by Damaka (www.damaka.com) which is truly sip peer to peer where you don't have to depend on a multihop technology like Skype. Damaka (www.damaka.com) offers a single hop technology that's SIP based so, there is less chance for virus traversals.
It can do instant message, chat, voice calls, audio conference up to four users, voice mail, send SMS etc.
Have you heard of SIP P2P company called Damaka (www.damaka.com)
Posted by: Rick at October 3, 2005 3:29 PM
You guys have been playing with them Skype gateways for too long now! :-))
Isn't there already a market for these wholesale carriers in Net2Phone, DeltaThree, etc.?
Posted by: Alec Saunders at October 3, 2005 6:35 PM
I think most likely, Phil, is that Microsoft will look for a bounty from the carriers providing the gateway. There may be several choices, but it's likely to be limited. The cost to administer a program with many carriers would be too high, and the resulting support requirements a nightmare.
Posted by: Drakester at October 4, 2005 4:37 AM
Skype has grown because it values the customer's privacy, and REPLACES the tangle of competing middlemen you seem to want back. It is the only VoIP using encryption, the only one that offers free-simple IP2IP usage, the only one that offers any improvement over the Bell System's 3.2kHz voice-minute metered monopoly-legacy network. I pay for InOut services only because I have to. Sure there's room for services, but Skype's popularity is mainly due to people running away from these ideas, not towards them, IMHO.
Posted by: Julian Bond at October 4, 2005 10:34 AM
Back in the day with MSN v4.7 and (I think) MSN 6 they used to do this. They had a generic SIP client in 4.7 and a captive client with v6 that only worked with selected partners. Yahoo have something very similar with their partnership with BT. All of these were (and are) pretty poor and not exactly seamless.
I'm not sure what you're suggesting is really much different from this. What's really puzzling in all this is why MS seem incapable of actually doing anything with MSN. Each new release actually seems to have less real function in it than the last but with more glitz round the edges.
And I had to laugh to see that YM! is now promoted as "YM! with Voice".
One critical issue here is a scaling one. The Voice bolt-ons on all the other IM clients seem to use a central reflector to do NAT busting. Even things like FWD communicator are doing the same thing. Skype still has a big advantage here with it's supernode approach. And even if they start to run out of customer run Supernodes they can scatter their own round the world to provide fall back.
Posted by: Jake at October 4, 2005 10:49 AM
Microsoft already created a call termination marketplace in Messenger. If you recall, Messenger had an embedded soft phone and allowed you to select from a few VoIP termination partners for call termination services.
The call termination services had to conform to a set of Microsoft interoperability specs (for VoIP call setup, this was slightly customized SIP, for media it was basic RTP, for account management there was a web backend and pseudo web service). Users could select a termination partner, buy an (often) prepaid account, and place calls.
Microsoft probably sold the "shelf-space" - taking a slotting fee and transaction fees.
The major problem with this plan was that the service - a slightly post Windows XP rollout - came out at about the same time that the Internet bubble and telecom collapse took place. Suddenly little VoIP ITSPs were no longer so prevalent and so flush with cash to participate.
Posted by: David Berry at October 10, 2005 2:39 AM
How can I buy SkypeOut credit except through the Skype website? The website is not functioning properly. When I try to visit the store, the next page says "Page can't be found".
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